i guess i have to find someone with a ready made cue or shaft that i can get. josey and he gave me a price for a basic cue and which i have to save for and besides i am in a hurry to get a cue and i cant wait for months. stiffness can be achieved thru varying the taper and the shaft doesnt necessarily have to be old growth. but since i cant afford a harris cue, i should opt for lesser priced custom shaft and just have it tapered like the harris ,only if i know how to find the pivot point which Mike Page here just mentioned. thats why its my basis for the taper i want on my shaft. with the harris shaft i have an idea how good the shaft feels to me and the hit which i like. problem is i dont know how to find the pivot point of this harris standard wood shaft so i can have my soon to be bought shaft tapered the same way. i tried it on slower cloths too and its just a dream to play with. the power and action im lookin gfor is there. very little deflection and this is a one peice standard shaft which is not old growth. i also tried a friend's richard harris plain jane. now that we have discussed the taper and how the taper affects squirt, pivot point etc. Thanks guys and i also tried a bluegrass! He said he found a lot of the submerged stuff he had unacceptable, but I also think he really liked the good pieces of wood. I also know he doesn'y have much left and I don't know whether he'll be able to get anymore. Josey, imo, is one of those picky people. But in the hands of someone not so picky, there's the possibility of a lot of crap being passed around. My opinion is that in the hands of the right person doing the picking, there a possibility of getting some real nice chunks of wood. On the other hand, the wood comes from a time when the maple in the northern areas grew more slowly because the non-played-out forests were denser and individual trees didn't get as much sunlight. Of course the whole idea has the potential of being gimicky and over hyped. It's notably darker in color and is denser. Mine has a squirt pivot point of 17-18 inches, similar to my other Josey shafts. I don't know whether that's *because* it was in the lake or in spite of it. The shaft I have is a really nice piece of wood. Lake Superior is particularly deep and particularly cold. Timeless Timber is a name of a particular company that's fished this wood out of Lake Superior. thnaks guys really appreciate your replies. are timeless timber shafts that great of a hit compard to standard rock maple shafts? i can ask keith about all of these but i guess i want to get your opinions coz i dont want to be bias. i have a problem with sneaky petes coz if the butt is thick i tend to hold the cue and move my grip forward thus shortening my bridge and there is too much cue at the back of my grip which knocks the balance out of my stroke. i was wondering if the butts of his petes are thick coz in the pictures it seems thick. i want to get his basic cue but with a timeless timber shaft its way off my budget. i am in the market for a josey sneaky since that is all i can afford. i have average filipino sized hands and the taper of the bender sneaky butt is just perfect. i played with a friend's mike bender sneaky and the butt feels really nice just thin enough that it fits my hands perfectly. I also like to get your feedback how his sneaky pete butt thickness in the grip area compared to the mike bender sneaky pete butt taper. and i like to know how his timeless timber shafts play as compared to his standard rock hard maple shafts if you have played with these for sometime? i like to ask anyone of you who owned and shot with a Keith Josey sneaky pete for a while not test hits.
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